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Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

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Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:41 am

Teq needs your help cause she's so fickle minded on whether to go Dark or Holy.

A lot of people have advised me to go Dark since all WF normally go that way.
I've seen the http://www.ecatomb.net/skillmy.php thingy and I'm not very good with numbers and all so they all look pretty much simillar to me... I'm not a Numbers person as you may guess... I'm good at talking ... that's pretty much it.

so maybe you pro's out there (or if you know of any pro's like Ms. Mika and whoever) can advise me on whether to go HOly or Dark.

I play my WF more of a supportive role and so my brother advised me to go Holy.
In solo mode, I typically use Envenom, Iron Rock, Mass Parasite and Megalith for Offensive. HP and MP and Intersoul switch for Def skills.

For Party mode, I use a lot of Amp and Vigor Switch.
But I still find I collect a lot of Vigor easily... only problem is cannot transfer due to cooldown time... which makes me doubt the Holy class thingy. Does the Holy thingy make me collect more vigor faster? Hmmmm....

But then again... its been some time since I was doing anything in a Party... so maybe going Dark makes more sense... Hmmmmm....

I'm so wishy washy.... and super clueless...... Arrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Jezebel~ on Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:07 pm

The easiest way to decide would be to use the basic statement people have said and decide where you fit in. Dark is best for pvp, holy for support. That's especially true for EP but also for other classes. The dark skills tend to do more damage or in some way hurt other players (like stealing vigor) and the holy skills tend to be better for support.

I'm definitely no pro on wf but I chose holy and I'm really glad I did. Also keep in mind if you won't have money for skill books or plan to farm for them, it won't make much difference. Without any skill books, a holy wf is almost exactly the same as a dark wf (skill-wise). When you do your fb89 and get entrance to heaven or hell - if you chose holy you'll get a skill that lets you get vigor, if you chose dark you'll get a skill that lets you take vigor from another player (there's that pvp thing again Razz )

If you are able to get skill books, that will make some difference, but the easiest way to decide if you're having trouble is to think pvp or support. A support wf can of course still pvp and a dark wf can still support, but the skills tend to lean those directions.


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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:07 am

Oooo Clarity... Okok. Thanks Jezypedia.
Anyone else?

In this case I should go Dark... so i can Kill Weakboy...
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Guest on Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:17 am

I'm not incredibly pro with wf, but all the WF's I've played have been hell and I really like it.

Of course, it just depends on whether or not you can get those skill books or not. Hell skills are very useful in pvp. So if you plan on doing pk, pvp, TW, etc, dark would probably be the best choice (if you can afford those books).

I don't know any holy skills at all, lol. But they get vig faster because of the skill heaven players get. xD

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:33 am

And Teq Dwells more.... Arrow
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Jezebel~ on Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:52 pm

I actually only have a couple holy skills on my WF because there are only a few that interested me and that I was willing to pay for.

I like Holy WF because of the vigor skill (super handy as as support WF because it helps me get vigor faster so then I can feed it to others faster), and because of a couple skills:
Bramble - lasts for 20 mins instead of the normal 10
Celerity Wind Walk - works like a purify skill on myself
Iron Rock Parasite - increases armor break from 10 seconds to 20
Holy Mass Parasite - increases damage from 2296 to 3054

Oh - and I think Dark WF is way more popular than Holy, but then I'm probably one of the few people not interested in PvP Very Happy

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:40 pm

And Teq turns around the other way again...

So I started writing this intending to go with Holy... to support people and all that...
Then I read on and I though... hey Dark is wayyyyy better... after reading Viv's post

Then I read Jez's post and now I'm back on Holy...

I think there's no hope for me!
Wink

Going through the skills, I use a lot of Iron rock, Envenom, Mass and mega to attack. But the assumption is that Dark is better for PvP... I don't understand how the following Dark stills are supposed to make a better PvP player though...

Anybody free to explain this to me?

Eg:
Envenom:
Dark - When hit the opponent, it can reduce 30% of its' wood elemental defense for 6 seconds.
ok I roughly get this... the 30% decrease helps a lot for another attack spell.

Iron Rock:
There is only a 20% chance to impose armour break, but if it succeeded, will cause the enemy's physical defense drop to 0.
This one works only 1/5 times... which seem like poor odds... but I guess if you spam it on a boss frequently, it will be wonderful... I think...:Mass: Not so convinced now...
Its a good gamble though to reduce Phy Def to ZERO... that counts for something massive if it works...

Cooldown time reduce by 1 seconds.
Looks like a dud to me

Megalith:
Skill Cooldown time reduce by 2 second.
Also looks like a dud to me... or perhaps I undevalue the powers of cooldown time?

As for the other Skills I frequently use in a PvP situation;
Intersoul Switch doesn't have any change

Amplify:
The duration of Amplify Maim curse increase by 6 seconds.
Ok... this seems quite useful... I think... 6 seconds... I much prefer 60 mins... but ok... I'll deal with 6 seconds...

Dark Celerity Walk:
Ignore various baffle condition in 6 seconds.
I find it amusing to use this in a PvP battle to begin with...and I also don't undertand what a "baffle condition" is... is this a Typo for "Battle Conditions"? This baffles me... alien

Dark Banish malediction
Cooldown time reduce to 25 seconds. (normal cooldown time 30secs)
Does a 5 second advantage really help? I don't debuff that much cause I panic and forget... and I guess if you debuff a person already... what's the point debuffing him again? I only see this working in TW...maybe... faster debuffing...No

The metabolic boost and Divine supp are pretty even I think so either Holy or dark seem ok...

So the Overall question I need answered here is this... If Dark WF's are awesome in PK and TW and PvP, what is wrong with my logic as assumed above? I just don't understand why there are so many Dark WF and there has to be a reason why my assumptions above are possibly flawed? pale

I don't play much in fox form... is that what makes a better Dark PvP WF? Question
or is it because Iron Rock and Envenom are fast fasting and have a possibbility of dealing a lot more damage?

Sorry Sorry for all the Questions... I think I'm panicking a littel coming closer to 89... tongue
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Guest on Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:29 am

IronRock - Yeah the chance of getting 0 pdef is low, but if it does hit, enemy is so dead. xD

Celerity Wind Walk - It means that in a certain amount of time you'll be immune to any blockage of movement, like stun, sleep, para etc. Useful in TW because WF's are DD's and WR's stun DD's. xD

Debuff and amp - In TW, a WF's main job is to debuff the cata WB's and amp, or use the skill that makes them lose vig every time they get hit. The cooldown is useful because msot WF's will use the debuff -> amp -> run strategy. Hopefully you will live long enough to debuff and amp again.

Envenom - You pretty much got it xD It reduces enemy's wood def, and since WF's skills are wood, it's kinda self-explanatory.

The ulti (forgot what it's called) for dark - The normal attack has a chance to seal enemies, for hell, those enemies that are sealed also have the dragon effect (take more dmg).

Dark fox transform - Every time you transform your speed increases by a lot xD Useful for getting out of large groups of people, and staying caught up with your party.

And don't worry Teq, I was just as nervous when I was 89. I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever path you choose, but there will be things that will annoy you. XD

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Baalorn on Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:43 am

did you decide yet teq?
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:38 am

Still leaning on Holy...
Will relook Ecata again... Sigh...
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Jezebel~ on Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:39 am

Tequila wrote:Still leaning on Holy...
Will relook Ecata again... Sigh...

Nothing wrong with holy...

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Baalorn on Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:28 am

go holy and get holy shape shift(I don't care about the name) then I won't kill you as fast Razz
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:24 pm

Actually, the more I look at the Holy vs Dark skills, the more crappy they both look actually. NOt entirely sure if to will be worth the money spent to buy the books for some of these skills!
A little more logical for me to go Holy for the extra Vig. Then I can spam Nova which I currently have at level 1 because it seemed like such a waste of Vig when I can pass it to Tanker most of the time in dungeons...
Hmmmm... more undecided deliberation is needed... tongue
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Cloud on Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:10 pm

stop talking her into going holy

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Jezebel~ on Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:50 pm

Cloud wrote: stop talking her into going holy

But I love my holy wf! If only I ever got a chance to play her

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:36 am

Cloud wrote: stop talking her into going holy
O.o... I was going to go Dark actually... then I saw that Jez loves her Holy WF.....
Hmmmm.....
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Cloud on Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:50 am

Jez loves anything holy u should go dark

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Jezebel~ on Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:46 pm

Jezebel~ wrote:
Cloud wrote: stop talking her into going holy

But I love my holy wf! If only I ever got a chance to play her

I actually got to play my wf for about an hour today, it was nice

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Baalorn on Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:39 pm

Cloud wrote: Jez loves anything holy u should go dark

liar

she doesn't love me Razz
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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Nhaiara on Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:45 pm

Baalorn wrote:liar
she doesn't love me Razz

Who does?

I'll have my kosing annual fee covered with this

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Re: Help Sucky Teq decide - Holy or Dark

Post  Tequila on Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:50 pm

lol....
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